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Comment On Proposed North Shore Development
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Discussion Started: 05-28-2002, 11:18 AM
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The builder that developed The Waterworks will attempt to enhance the North Shore with office, entertainment, retail and residential space. What is your opinion of this venture?
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BRU48
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09-07-2004, 7:51 AM
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Let's do something stupid like put the "T" under the river. The people running this city need to have their head examined. I would think it would be cheaper to hang it off of an existing bridge. I think trying to build up the North Shore is a good idea but lets be a little practical about it. The city blew it when they were doing the initial work. They should have run a branch over to the North Shore then, but that's Monday morning arm chair quarter backing. It's going to be that much harder now.
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DBR96
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02-19-2003, 6:30 PM
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pghsucks99: Funny you brought up the fact that The Waterfront was developed by a "non-yinzer developer." You know what that means? It means that someone who is not from Pittsburgh believed that new developments could be successful here. I might also add that Kravco, a developer from Philadelphia, wants to try and revitalize the Fifth/Forbes corridor downtown. That's yet another "non-yinzer" developer who has faith in the Pittsburgh market. And Cleveland-based Forest City Enterprises is in the midst of an expansion and overhaul at Station Square. So I ask you; if developers from Columbus, Cleveland and Philadelphia can see potential in the Pittsburgh region, then why can't you? Maybe part of the reason we didn't have any "yinzer" developers try to build anything was because they share your snot-nosed attitude and didn't have the guts to make Pittsburgh a better place.
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VernonBoy
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02-10-2003, 2:27 PM
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yes bring the development. If it doesn't come people will continue to leave and Pittsburgh will slowly die away. There is nothing to do in Pittsburgh once you have done everything and believe me I have gone to every place possible. Its only a good city if you are over 30 because you have a lot of bars to go to where you can get drunk and act like a retard then its a really great city, but since i dont drink then thats not what i consider fun. we need development. I you dont want development then dont live here. move to Montana nothing goes on there.
Stay True, Vernon Brockinson
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Bluegerbil
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01-14-2003, 9:51 PM
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In response to pghsucks99: What you say doesn't really make sense. It is silly to say that every good thing in Pittsburgh is good because it "doesn't feel like Pittsburgh." I mean, if it is here, then it IS part of Pittsburgh. If people take the attitude that nice things are some sort of anomaly, then the city's image will never improve no matter how many nice things there are here. The entire city could be filled with great developments, and people like pghsucks99 would say that the whole city "doesn't feel like Pittsburgh" before they said that they liked Pittsburgh. I think this sort of attitude is a way of complimenting the city without actually dropping the overall negative outlook. Maybe the negative attitude is so deepset that it can never be gotten rid of entirely, no matter how nice the city is.
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Dermitt
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11-22-2002, 8:13 AM
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I doubt that more retail and office space is the best solution for the North Shore. I think that a new multi-purpose arena for the Penguins would be a good idea for developing the North Shore. With PNC Park and Heinz Field there already, the area should be developed as a destination center. A multi-purpose arena could generate larger revenues as a destination for events other than sports, such as concerts. Some residential development could be woven into this development mix. Anything can be designed, but must be economical if built. Parking can be put underground with some surface lots and garages. This development could cost more than both PNC Park and Heinz Field. Those public investments should make more private investments in the North Shore a good deal for the city. Public investment offers only limited returns. Profit is unlimited if you have great planning and investors with vision in Pittsburgh. Retail development seems very limiting. Office space works best in the Golden Triangle. Why not build a new skyscraper?
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oreofuchi
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10-21-2002, 12:15 PM
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That's an awful idea! If people wanted to see parking spaces, they'd drive to Cranberry.
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Kirch
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10-19-2002, 10:55 PM
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how about we make more parking before we make more places to go...
censorship is a disease
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pghsucks99
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10-07-2002, 3:15 PM
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Go for it!! The reason that the Waterfront is so successful in because it was not developed by a local yinzer company with the local mindset. The Waterfront is everything but Pittsburghish. THAT is the reason for its success. I go there because it doesn't feel as much like Pittsburgh as the rest of the city. It has a ocean boardwalk feel. It is open and lighter feeling. Unfortunately, one cannot escape the Pittsburgh attitude toward everything, but at least it is an attempt at a start to change. If more areas around here can be less Pittsburgh like, go for it.
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Burghman
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07-18-2002, 7:57 AM
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Mathman: I agree with your comments to voodoo about 3Rivers. But just wanted to clarify that taking the centerfield section out of Cinergy Field was done because Great American Ballpark is being built on that space. It just wasn't a quick, temporary fix.
jlpf36: Everybody seems to want change but not if it imposes on their conveniences. If they need to build the garages, who cares that there is a lack of parking near Heinz. Park downtown and walk! Don't be lazy!
The North Shore will be beautiful, just like Station Square is turning out to be.
Progress, one step at a time.
Keep the 'Burgh alive.
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Mathman
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07-14-2002, 4:11 PM
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Voodoo: I take exception with your idea that Three Rivers Stadium could have been converted into a perfectly good ballpark for the Pirates. That stadium was completely inappropriate for baseball and those that attended games at the old Forbes Field tell me Forbes was much better and saying PNC is a better stadium for baseball is an understatement.
Such a conversion was done at Riverfront stadium but it still is lacking but I suppose that suits Cincinnati fine because it is a temporary fix until their new stadium is completed. I don't know what the situation is among ballparks but I think Olympic Stadium in Montreal is considered the worst of the stadiums. If we still had Three Rivers even in a renovated for baseball state, it would be considered to be among the worst. A baseball only TRS would probably become among the least favorite of stadiums and the butt of jokes around the league. We may eventually have to acknowledge that the converted TRS is inappropriate and still build a baseball only stadium. I'd rather spend that renovation money now and do it right as we did in building PNC. As for finances etc...well, I think things will be better with PNC (and even now the data still bears that out) but right now it's baseball in general that is having problems in finances and attendance. So let's not dump just on the Pirates.
If Three Rivers was saved for anything, it would have worked best for the Steelers. TRS makes for a better football stadium than baseball stadium. Already, people are saying that the noise generated at Heinz Field is not like it was at TRS. But ultimately, in trying to make TRS good for both, it ended up good for neither. Between PNC and Heinz, Heinz enjoys the Steeler loyalty but PNC turned out the best and seems have the fewest complaints from the fans.
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