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T O P I C Discussion Started: 04-23-2001, 12:32 PM Add to the Discussion
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How do you battle the high price of gasoline?

What about discounts at places like Giant Eagle, Costco and Wal-Mart? Do you use them? Do you think they pose unfair competition to traditional gas stations?

Share your thoughts about gas prices right here.

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Big1Ed 08-20-2008, 5:17 PM Add to the Discussion
LeftPa, bravo! I've come to the same conclusions watching the I-79 traffic from Pgh. to Sandy Lake.

At the speed limit, those in their SUVs pass you because they can afford the gas, no matter what the price. Those in smaller, more "fuel-efficient" vehicles pass you because gas is coming down in price (for now) and they're not even noticing any fuel savings because they're driving faster now. So folks like us can laugh while they go on about their merry way, stopping for fuel more often than we, and they can pass us again after they've filled up.

As for India and China, they'll soon have bigger problems than affordable gasoline. Virtually NO water from the Yellow River in China reaches the sea due to extremely poor management by the government, and a series of dams which reduces the flow to a trickle. And the water that IS flowing is app. 75% unusable due to extremely lax pollutiion laws. No one can drink it, cook with it, bathe in it, or even water their meager crops with it. China may well go war over water, floks, not petroleum.

Big1Ed, THE one!

Left Pa 08-19-2008, 10:47 PM Add to the Discussion
Here is the real problem. China and India are using more oil now then at any time in history. It's not just oil, it's coal too. China and india's gov't pay down the price so their people can afford to buy the gasoline. One of these days, if the price keeps going up, they are not going to be able to do that. Then they are going to be in big trouble. India has already started to cut back on their subsities. China will have to one of these days. I think it's funny when everyone says that it's the speculators. I'm sure they have something to do with it. But I can't see that big of a deal. Speculation has gone on for a long time. Now what about when the price comes down? Are they guilty and deceideing to give back some of the money they got. Give me a break. Things will work out just fine. I laugh when everyone talks about how they can't afford gas now but they are still flying down the highway. I went on I-70 the other day for 25 miles and put my car on cruise control, like a usually do, I did the posted speed limit of 65 and I only passed one car. I got blown away by no less than 30 other cars and trucks. I just sat back and laughed about how these are the same people complaining. BTW, I got 40 mpg on a trip from wheeling to mercer a couple weeks ago doing that exact same thing. Speed limit and cruise control.

Big1Ed 07-30-2008, 7:03 PM Add to the Discussion
Krakus, you say "It simply doesn't address the real problem," In 25 words or less, what IS the real problem?

Big1Ed, THE one!

Krakus 07-30-2008, 12:09 PM Add to the Discussion
Wpahiker: Given the dizzying number of scandals now associated with the Bush administration (I prefer to refer to it as the Bush Debacle) and the Republican members of Congress (Mr. Stevens of Alaska is just the latest), I would have thought you'd be just a bit more circumspect about such a gratuitous shot on Hilary Clinton (particulary someone the Republicans spent tens of millions of our tax dollars investigating, only to have to admit that was not one iota of evidence that stood up to scrutiny. Let's move beyond the partisan cheap shots, shall we?

The recent and substantial drop in U.S. demand is the most direct reason for the recent drop in oil prices, not the fact Bush recinded an executive order against off shore drilling. Even after Congress would act to give that action any real meaning, the consensus of the experts is that any significant impact from offshore drilling in this country is YEARS away. T. Boone Pickens, one of the most successful oil men in American history, agrees, stating that we can't drill our way out of this crisis!

Promoting offshore drilling for the American "oil junkie" is like a herion junkie demanding we grow more American poppies in the national parks to bring down prices on his addiction. It simply doesn't address the real problem, and represents a palliative measure at best against what is fast becaoming, if it's not already, a terminal condition.

Increased production is but a small part of the ultimate and real solution to the world energy crisis, but one that would be still only be effective in the short term, at best. Despite your tag line, I would recommend a bit more reading in your case.

Respectfully, Krakus

wpahiker 07-29-2008, 7:59 AM Add to the Discussion
Big Ed, Krakus, with regards to the speculators. They are just that, speculating on what future conditions will be with regards to oil supply and demand. They make big profits, but they can lose just as easily as they can gain (unless their name is Hillary Clinton).

If storage exceeds demand then price goes down. If demand exceeds storage then price goes up. The speculator's job is to see 4-5 years into the future and try to determine which direction supply and demand will be going. Right now, the demand far exceeds the supply.

At one time the U.S. could control the market because of our high demand - cut back on driving and the prices would tumble (remember the 70's?). The difference this time around is that we are no longer the ones in control. The market is more in the hands of China, India and Russia, whose growing demand on oil is pushing the prices faster than the supply can keep up. Right now, the speculators are seeing this and betting it keeps up; so, yes, they are making money, but they are not controlling the prices, merely reacting to the market demands.

Notice how the price has dropped since Bush removed the ban on drilling? This is because, for once, speculators see a ray of light at the end of the tunnel - additional supply hitting the market. Want to see the prices drop even more, and a lot faster? Get congress to do the same. Once vast amounts of oil can be seen coming in the near future (4- 5 years), you will see the speculators start cutting back on the price they are paying. They are not the driving force, rather they are the indicators of what is to come.

Why don't the oil companies drill where they currently have leases? Easy, three reasons: first, they are being held up in court by the environmentalists who are filing suits to prevent drilling, even though not a drop of oil was lost in Katrina; second, states like California who have their own bans against off-shore drilling because it will "ruin the tourism industry" - ever been to the Gulf Coast? How many rigs do you see from land? Finally, not all of the land that they have leases on has accessible oil, if any oil at all. Along with the lease to drill comes the right to determine if there is any oil, can't do the one until you have the other. Until they have the lease to drill, they don't have the right to actually determine if there is accessible oil. They can speculate (there's that word again), but they can't be sure.

Quit reading -- go outside and do something!

Big1Ed 07-28-2008, 8:05 PM Add to the Discussion
Bildog13, good points. Liberal bans on just about anything are throttling our progress. We SHOULD be drilling for oil wherever it's physically possible so that we can hold out long enough to develop other sustainable sources, including wind. I laugh, though, when the democraps get a taste of their own medicine from the enviro-wienies screaming about the birds and the bats dying from running into the windmill blades.

Krakus, also good points. Remember, though, that 99% of all life that has ever existed on Earth is now extinct. Of course, we humans darn sure don't want to join THAT party, so we need to develop other energy sources while making the most of what we've got while we still have it. That means drilling for oil wherever we can find it, as well as finding other sources for the future. Methane, anyone?

Big1Ed, THE one!

Krakus 07-28-2008, 10:36 AM Add to the Discussion
Big1Ed: You make an excellent point with respect to the destructive influence of oil speculators. The de-regulation of our markets has lead to the mortgage meltdown and a credit crisis, as well as adding additional volitility to a commodity (oil) market that is already unstable due to rising world demand.

However, I must differ with you on your lack of environmetal sensitivity. The earth surely has suffered worse calamities than man in it's history; there have been several mass extinction events, the most recent of which has been theorized as causing the rise of mamals and man himself. And, most assuredly, it will be around long after us.

But that's an eventuality that I would think is worth whatever effort is necessary to contravene it. The earth has a way of maintaining balance in it's ecosystem; if we do not act, Mother nature may decide that the carrying capacity for the human species on this world has been exceeded. And she can so easily use our own greed, combined with a technical prowess that has created weapons of mass destruction, to effect that reduction... after all, she has repeatedly demonstrated an enormous capacity to cleanse and restore herself... once an irritant has been eliminated.

Respectfully, Krakus

Bildog13 07-28-2008, 6:07 AM Add to the Discussion
Big1Ed: The only reasons speculators have any say in the price in fuel costs is because there are restrictions on supply or lack there of a supply caused by a democratic representive congress. The democraps will not lift bans on any PROVEN TECHNOLOGY from coal, natural gas, oil, nuclear power! Thier solutions of wind or solar cannot possibly be the answer because thier is not enough wind(except in congress) anywhere in the world that is constantly blowing and we do not have technology advanced enough to harness solar power effectively. Are solar technology is at least 50 years away minimum. I'll use thier arguement it will not help us today. We as a country need to use ALL available resources currently out thier and yet continue to look for other means AFTER all resources are opened up for use!!

Bildog13

Big1Ed 07-27-2008, 7:41 PM Add to the Discussion
Be serious, bildog! Yes, your points are valid. But for a person who spent $80K on an education, you should be more erudite. (Look it up in your Funk and Wagnall's.)

And it's not just the enviro-wienies who are responsible. The futures speculators also have a lot to do with the price of oil going up. Maybe we could hear from a highly educated trader about this subject.

Yes, the enviro-wienies make me sick, too. The earth has suffered through a LOT worse than what we've done to it. It'll be here long after we're gone.

Bildog13 07-18-2008, 6:18 AM Add to the Discussion
g man:

I never, never, never claimed to be an english major just a geologist who trys to spread the truth about oil not being a limited resource and the prices being exceptionally high because of democraps and the greeny weenies passing laws to control free people!!!

Bildog13

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