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Steel City ... Or Silicon Hill? Talk About Pittsburgh's Tech Growth
T O P I C Discussion Started: 12-15-2005, 9:44 AM Add to the Discussion
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For years, Pittsburgh was known as the "Steel City." But that's no longer the case.

Groundbreaking robotics and software work is being accomplished at Carnegie Mellon.

Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates paid a visit to CMU and pledged $20 million for a new computer science building.

The Computer Emergency Response Team based at CMU helps the government with national cyber security.

Technologies developed by Pitt researchers are creating new companies, and the school recently ranked ahead of Minnesota and Cornell in number of start-ups spawned.

Other notable successes include FreeMarkets (later acquired by Ariba) and Fore Systems (sold to Marconi, and later acquired by Ericsson).

Now Google is getting in on Pittsburgh, opening an R&D facility at CMU. Apple and Intel are there too.

Share your thoughts about the Pittsburgh tech scene.

Can the city become a technology hub? What steps should be taken next? Where do we go from here?

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Big1Ed 08-05-2008, 7:20 PM Add to the Discussion
You're all making good points but still skirting the issue. Why would any hightech business want to locate here when the taxes are so high?

No one can tax themselves into prosperity, despite what the Democratic party in PA tells us.

Lower taxes actually bring MORE money into an economy than higher taxes do. Remember Reagan's economic policies? He LOWERED taxes, and the U.S. economy realized 96 straight months of economic growth! That's 12 YEARS, folks.

Despite what liberals have done to try and rewrite the history books, REAGANOMICS WORKED! Let's lower the taxes in PA and Allegheny county and watch what happens.

Big1Ed, THE one!

pgm554 05-23-2008, 10:56 AM Add to the Discussion
>poolboy said pgm why would you move back without getting a job first and why would your friends go work in a coal mine instead of moving elsewhere like you did?

If you have a skill set that is in demand,you take the risk that you should be able to find a job with a bit of effort.

That was a risk I was willing to take.

As for my friends staying here,leaving the area and family is a very hard and frightening thing to do when you are 22 or 23 .

You run into people that take that chance and some win and some lose.

I was at a restaurant in Las Vegas a few years ago and the waiter was from Uniontown. He waited untill he was 40 to leave and find work.

Life ain't easy and picking up and leaving is one of the hardest and most stressful choices that anyone can make.

connorc 01-20-2008, 12:09 PM Add to the Discussion
As soon as they learn the skills here they get offered more money which this broke town cant afford and they Leave ANYWAY!!!

mike6433 06-28-2006, 8:28 PM Add to the Discussion
Coming full circle.

I worked as a databse programmer for a number of years in this region. I worked for CMU, Marconi, Adelphia, and others. However, only CMU is left. I was left unemployed after the tech bubble burst after 9/11. To bet everything on high tech would be unwise. Even the vaunted projects listed above will probably be done by talent brought in from elsewhere. Even though we have home grown talent here, it is not used. Besides, this region should have a diversified economy.

After over a year of meaningless jobs, I became a machinist and now work in a mill. It is the best job I ever had. Forget IT. There is something truly satisfying working with metal and turning it into something usefull. I cut the wheels for the new New Orleans streetcars. I wouldn't go back to computer programming for all the money in the world. I have a real job working with real men.

The myth that steel is dead is just a myth. Western PA is the machining capital of the country and the demand for these skills is great. The reason not too many people know this is because the local media do not know how to report a story anymore, and this industry simply isn't glamourous.

So if any of you IT guys are tired of the cubicle game, get out and go to machining school. It was the best move I ever made, even though I still have to repay those student loans.

So please do not write the obituary for steel quite yet. I would be more skeptical of these dubious tech companies.

edog37 01-07-2006, 1:11 PM Add to the Discussion
yes, real dealer, that is exactly what I am saying. I disagree that you have to start small...we are already behind the 8-ball & small thinking has gotten us to this point now. We need to aggressively market this area's good points: well educated workforce, world class universities, low cost of living, friendly people, etc.

taxpayer23 01-06-2006, 9:47 PM Add to the Discussion
I agree with Realdealer, we need to start out by attracting small businesses to at least build sustainability. The new administration needs to contact Richard Florida immediately and get his expertise and advice on what it takes to make a GREAT 21st century city. Silicon Hill, we are not!

realdealer 01-06-2006, 4:51 PM Add to the Discussion
edog37,I certainly understand what you are saying and you seem to care and want the best for this area. Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like what you are saying (and what I have been saying all along) is this area needs to diversify by welcoming in different industry and giving it a chance to grow and prosper here. Instead voters keep voting in the same old politicians with the same old way of thinking that put the kabosh on progress which is a vicious cycle.

I don't believe Pittsburgh is capable of attracting and keeping any one large industry from a more progressive city. It needs to start out slowly by attracting small pieces of different industries and showing those small pieces over time it can handle the larger picture. To attract anything big Pittsburgh would have to already have the progressive thinking and vision in place which it certainly does not. I would rather see it this way but there's nothing anybody can do about that now.

edog37 01-06-2006, 1:58 PM Add to the Discussion
I wasn't basing my Boeing comment on the airplane industry, but rather on its defense contracts. My point was, by attracting a company of Boeing's caliber brings with it a multitude of sub-contractors. However, showing only a vague interest speaks volumes about the region's leadership...or rather, the lack thereof....

realdealer 01-06-2006, 11:32 AM Add to the Discussion
I think pgm554 and taxpayer23 have certainly hit the nail on the head with their posts. For whatever reason Pittsburgh's steel industry is long gone which has left a 20-year void in the region's economy. Unfortunately nothing has been able to take hold and as a result the young and educated head to more progressive cities with diversified economies. Can you blame them??

Technology is a progressive industry that likes to be in progressive cities full of young and bright people. Pittsburgh is not that kind of city. It is just the opposite. It can be but it doesn't seem to want to be. I don't think a city can lure an industry (like technology) with promises to totally change its way of life afterward. That has to happen first as it has in other successful cities. Why would any company leave Raleigh,Charlotte,Seattle,Atlanta,Boston,Houston,etc., where things are thriving for a dieing city with antiquated beliefs? These other cities also have diversified economies rather than based on one industry like Pittsburgh has always tried to do. Pittsburgh may be able to get bits and pieces of technology but it has a long way to go to become a giant.

By the way the airline industry is not worth basing a city on. I believe Boeing has laid off thousands of workers in Washington State and the rest of the industry is unstable. It always has been.

pool boy 01-05-2006, 5:37 PM Add to the Discussion
pgm why would you move back without getting a job first and why would your friends go work in a coal mine instead of moving elsewhere like you did? I guess all the publicity of google setting up headquarters here and everything that CMU does is sham.

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