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Should Teacher Lose Her Job?
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Discussion Started: 08-24-2005, 8:52 AM
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Should Orange County teacher Jan Hall lose her job for allegedly writing a letter to a congressman that was critical of ethnic groups?
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DAC56
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09-10-2006, 2:02 PM
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A school teacher should have a right just as everyone does to criticize the govt., Congress, laws, or anything they wish to speak out about. As long as the teachers performance at school doesn't suffer or single out a student from their respective Constitutional rights. Everyone has the right to free speech in this wonderful country.
Only you can prevent forest fires
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duster70
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02-13-2006, 12:48 PM
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I would like to know how this was brought up in the first place. This was "supposed" to be a personal letter to a congressman..informing them of a problem in the system of teaching. I t should never have been made public..how far are people going to take the rights away from one person (the teacher) and trying to protect another. Whoever made this public, just violated this teacher rights.
be careful where you tread
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michaelrob
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10-20-2005, 9:40 AM
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I not only feel that this teacher should NOT lose her job, but I feel that the person who leaked the information to the news media should lose her job, and more importantly should be tried for disclosing her thoughts. I may or may not believe in what she said, but she has the right to speak her mind, even if it is against others' ideas. A Congressman should respect the opinions of his constituents and use that in his own decisions, not make it public.
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**LEE**
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10-16-2005, 7:30 PM
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Teacher17
most disabled kids who are able to take the Fcat are in a seperate classroom, not in a inclusion setting...so to lump the non English speaking students into this same category with disabled students is really not appropriate, I feel...the disabled kids are either like I said, mainstremed, or in a Varying exceptionalities classroom...and same should go with these kids who cannot master the English language proficiently at an early age...they should be MANDATED to go into an ESOL class from the Getgo...no ifs and or buts...and instead of passing the FCAT...pass the English language 101, then worry bout the Fcat for crying out loud.
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f.figueroa
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10-14-2005, 6:41 PM
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The answer is yes. And no she shouldn't be asking the school district for 20 million dollars. This shows that she really doesn't care about her students, white or hispanic.She claims her civil rights have been violated.But the real question is: "How many of her students rights to an education have been violated because she felt they weren't good enough?"I think an investigation should be launched into how much damage she has caused to students exposed to her poison.
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teacher17
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10-14-2005, 10:24 AM
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Teacher Jan Hull should not lose her job. I am a retired teacher from Orange County Schools. Let me just say this, don't sit and judge so harshly until you have sat in that person's chair. I have never considered myself a prejudice person. Infact, I taught at an all black school in Orange County (I'm caucasion). I had parents at that school write me letters that their children loved coming to school. I had many students write me loving letters and cards. I have always been a fair person. There in no doubt in my mind that I treat everyone with respect. Now to my point. After teaching so many years, dealing with the day to day disrespect, parents not being involved but just dumping their (I don't have to do this work and I don't care attitudes)children in the schools, it does have it's toll. The job of being a teacher has changed dramatically since the FCAT holds the teachers accountable for all kids. This includes the children who are disabled, children speaking very little English, children who have learning difficulties, behavior issues, and the list goes on. The icing on the cake was when all Orange County teachers were required to take an additonal 360 hours of ESOL training. For two years, I went to classes two nights a week (totally exhausted the next day to teach my regular classroom), to learn about the hispanic culture. This was rediculous. Orange County mandated this to all teachers it was like a threat if you did not take these classes you would lose your teaching degress in the state of florida. The classrooms keep getting bigger and bigger to fill the constant hispanics moving to Florida. We as teachers, have to spend so much time getting the hispanic children who speak limited English caught up to meet FCAT standards that the other students do busy work while the teacher works with small groups of these children. I could go on and on but as you can see this memo is long enough for this space. Just hear this Jan Hull had the guts to say what so many people are feeling but didn't have the guts to write there congress person. Her constitutional rights were violated.
Regards, Debra
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SKMcCall
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10-13-2005, 11:06 PM
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It is unfortunate that we continue to have people that truly believe that color or ethnicity define a person. Ms. Hall's letter tells a bigger picture and has opened up the door for people that have these same uneducated views license to "share" their experience with a minority to validate what Ms. Hall's experiences have been. The reality is that race and ethnicity do not define a person's character and any person that reads or checks statistics would know that. White people misbehave, become aggressive, can not read, and struggle with math also. This does not mean that all white people should go back to their countries. Ms. Hall's personal belief system has clouded her reality. She clearly has a belief in place about Puerto Ricans, that are as American as any of us. The best teachers are those that look at each student individually. A teacher should not dump the baggage of an entire race on the shoulders of a child. Ms. Hall should go back and review some Sociology and look at the "Self-fulfilling prophecy". She obviously expects the worse from these students...and, I'm sure sometimes that is just what she gets. I'm especially disappointed that, with her horrible writing skills, she is even teaching. Did she pass the CLAST, let alone a teacher certification exam? Geography also is not one of her strengths. Aren't we the least concerned that one of our teachers, with her years of experience, has no understanding of our country's borders? It's a sad state of affairs when a teacher is complaining about teaching.
Sandra McCall Orlando, Florida
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LMartinez20
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10-13-2005, 10:22 PM
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I worked for the school board in Martin County for about 5 years while I was attending community college. I was able to finish community college during my employment due to the financial assistance I received from the school board. After college, I began my professional career in Orlando with Walt Disney World where I worked as a manager for almost 10 years. For the first time in my life I was exposed to a diverse work place and I have learned a lot about myself, other races, cultures and ethnic differences. Until I came to Orlando I never acknowledged my hispanic heritage because it was always portrayed to me as negative. When I came to Orlando and had the opportunity to meet people of different races, cultures and sexual preferences, I realized how sheltered my upbringing had been and I began to embrace my heritage even though I was discriminated against for not speaking Spanish. Although I do not speak Spanish, and I am not of Puerto Rican decent, I understand the differences in cultures. I feel sorry for this teacher who has not been so enlightened to the differences in cultures. I have met my share of white teachers who are under educated as well as those of other races. What she doesn't understand is that by labeling all hispanics as "under qualified or under educated" she paints a picture of herself as unwilling to distinguish individuals from their race or heritage. She will never understand that she IS racist. As a society we should pity her and move on. I do not think she should be fired, even though I disagree with her point of view because I believe in the 1st amendment right to free speach. However, I do beleive she should be required to attend diversity training!!! I also do not think she deserves 20 million dollars!!!
The American born Caucasian Hispanic
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TheTerror
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10-07-2005, 7:44 PM
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I just want to say to ignorant krr2312, don't mess with PR if you don't want to see them angry. As a half puertorican, I usually don't mess with them. Live them alone cause they are not minority, they are US citizens, like it or not. So go back to school, cause I will go mano a mano to any gringo in any category they choose, from geography to science. you pick the topic and we wil go mano a mano. For the record, I was educated in PR. Just give me the chance to go with you or "Teacher" HALL.
My Regards Big Banana
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mellisacru
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09-29-2005, 9:41 AM
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As a post graduate educated Puerto Rican, I definitely think that Jan Hall should lose her job with no further compensation. My child is in the top two percentile in his fifth grade class and teachers like this impede the learning process with their bigotry and ignorance but it seems that may be the exact mission of Ms. Hall and others like her. It is obvious that Ms. Hall is living in a past era when Anglo-supremacy was of the utmost importance. Perhaps Ms. Hall was not educated enough to know that Puerto Ricans, whether born here or on the island are American citizens by birthright not privilege. Everyone one of us here in the USA has been a foreigner in one generation or another, and this includes you! In response to the comment made by LucySimmon about these children learning to live in a "civilized" America: Learn your US history! This country was built on the savage acts of the Anglos who bought nothing but death, destruction and disease to the islands of the Caribbean and America in the name of civilization.
Mellisa Cruz Orlando, Florida
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