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Is Saying The Pledge Too Stressful For Students?
T O P I C Discussion Started: 10-01-2001, 5:46 PM Add to the Discussion
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A new law requires schools to offer students in all grades the opportunity to say the pledge of allegiance or sing the national anthem at the start of each day.

First, Madison schools allowed schools to choose how they would comply with this new law. Then, they banned the Pledge of Alligiance and said that schools could only play an instrumental version of the national anthem.

Wow, did that get them in hot sea of controversy! Now, (Monday) they will reconsider their decision.

What should they do? Are the words "under God" just too inappropriate to allow students to say? Is the whole law itself stupid? Is it too stressful for students to require them to stand up and say the pledge? What do you think?

How does this vary from your day?

What should the school board do on Monday?

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danagol 11-01-2001, 2:17 PM Add to the Discussion
If it gives you some satisfaction, Qwert, go ahead and pray. It's your First Amendment right in action, at least as long as you don't actually FORCE your prayer on me PERSONALLY.

As for shame, I stand by what I said and feel none fo doing so.

suelon 10-26-2001, 8:16 AM Add to the Discussion
Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez! It's too stressful for American students to say a pledge to a country that gives them the freedom to even ask that!? There are countries where you don't get that choice or any other for that matter! I believe that we Americans who are PRIVILEDGED to live in this country are SPOILED ROTTEN... I grew up saying and singing patriotic songs and I never was stressed out; neither were any of my classmates. I would think students would be MORE stressed thinking that someone could actually attack not just this countrys' geography and citizenry, but more importantly, our patriotism, our freedoms, our responsibility to respect/protect each other and our Government who is trying to KEEP the freedoms that we are taking for granted. If the students have a problem saying anything w God in it, let them not say that part/ all I say to that is GOD HELP THEM!

qwert 10-25-2001, 11:21 AM Add to the Discussion
danagol, Shame on you. I will pray for you.

MICHELLE R 10-20-2001, 1:21 PM Add to the Discussion
I DON'T THINK IT IS TO MUCH STRESS FOR THE KIDS TO SAY OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM OR SING AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL.CAUSE IT SHOWS THEIR PRIDE AND PATRIOTISM IN THEIR COUNTRY.I THINK IT ALSO STRENGHTENS THE YOUTH HAVE IN THE FUTURE IN OUR GREAT NATION WE CALL THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

MICHELLE L RYAN ryans@merr.com

MICHELLE L RYAN

WiscoKid 10-19-2001, 3:40 PM Add to the Discussion
radvis1613: Sometimes to find legislative intent, it is useful to look at the history of the bill that became the law. When "under God" was added to the Pledge in the 1950's, Congress was under extreme lobbying pressure from the Catholic fraternal order, the Knights of Columbus. It can be assumed that the "God" the Knights wanted in the Pledge is the Christian God. Makes senses, doesn't it?

danagol 10-19-2001, 2:07 PM Add to the Discussion
OK, rdavis1613, let me rephrase. The pledge, in its underhanded way, implements unspecified monotheism as the groundwork for a state sponsored religion. I said it imposes Christianity, and I still think that's obvious. Islam and Judaism have never figured prominently as "honorary" creeds in American Governmental tradition.

Making kids parrot these platitudes (incomprehensible to many of them, actually) represents the slippery slope downhill toward the establishment of a state-recognized faith. History teaches us that the United States has been a "constitutional republic" (recently transformed into a constitutional monarchy of sorts, at least since Nixon) with dangerous religious overtones foisted on us by various branches of government in subtle and not-so-subtle ways.

Like the ten commandments on the classroom walls in Kansas. Like the silly "in god we trust" on the money. "So help me god..." in the courtroom. Devoting taxpayer dollars for private school vouchers. Need more examples?

Heynow, you made me laugh so hard I will never forgive you, lol. Anyway, "thanks" for realizing that not all us cheeseheads are cheeseheadtaliban. Man, as if you don't have a bunch of extremely severe bible-thumpers and reactionaries out there in Sacramento, where Rush Limbaugh got his start. Not to mention Orange County! I dare say many of those posting so vociferously for god and flag are your fellow West Coast residents. This is a web-site, after all.

rdavis1613 10-19-2001, 12:23 AM Add to the Discussion
Danagol, Help me out here, which part of our pledge mentions "Christianity"? Under God, while a religious statement, certainly offers no preference to any one God? Unless of course you are assuming that that is what the authors intended. Thus it in no way violates the constitution. Why not show some tolerance of others beliefs?

heynow 10-18-2001, 11:26 PM Add to the Discussion
tsgrover, you are not only, apparently, a blatant plagiarist, but the material you lifted and reprinted without citation is also painfully shallow.

My dad, who is an otherwise perfectly reasonable man in his mid-60s, forwarded that self-same "post" of yours to me via email, about a month ago. It's SPAM.

I guess you've been taking your time reading the whole thing, eh? Is that why it took so long to get it online here?

You should at least tell all the people who are congratulating you for your eloquence know that you didn't write it.

bordew, are you OK? We have "majority rule, with minority rights," which means, in TodaySpeak, "consensus."

Consensus is generally understood to mean, "something everyone can live with." It doesn't mean we all agree completely, but it also means both sides respect each other's "deal breakers."

To me, and to people like me, a state-sponsored mix of the sacred and secular is a clear deal breaker... just as the brainless agenda of the self-proclaimed "ProLife" movement is a deal breaker.

Now, are you advocating consensus, oppression or revolution within society? Because that's what I hear from people such as yourself, who either get what they want or they roll out the "love it or leave it, commie" rhetoric.

How about if, one day, we are no longer in the minority (if we even are today)? What will you do then? Will your answer then be to love it or leave it?

If so, here's a roadmap and a ham sandwich... don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

Or, let me ask that same question in a way you may have less trouble understanding: Are you now in the 8th grade?

Also, do you really think the ACLU have an agenda to DISMANTLE, rather than PRESERVE, the US Constitution (actually, it's the Bill of Rights, but why should I expect you to know that)? Do they have a role in fighting terrorism, or mending society after a terrorist attack? I don't think they do... so why even mention them, other than as a result of some knee-jerk reaction?

LFlowers, we don't want you here. So thanks in advance for not coming back.

And to all the right-wing fanatics who believe "politically correct" means "liberal," rather than "carefully crafted not to offend the people who support the cause," I can only shake my head in quiet disgust.

Is it bad? Yes. Does it cause incremental and almost imperceptible erosion of our Fundamental Freedoms? Yes.

And to all you religious fanatics who invoke the trump card of a higher power or who resort to specious rhetoric about god the blood of patriots? Pray for yourselves.

I love my country, but I fear many of my countrymen.

A life lived in fear is a life half-lived.

muschelewi 10-18-2001, 5:57 PM Add to the Discussion
There's been a lot of discussion about "patriotism" of late. I don't like the concept, but it's a reality. But I'm willing to bet there are more people out there with their little American flags flying in the breeze than voted in most of the elections of late.

Seems to me that if you don't vote, you have no right to fly the flag at all . . . and you certainly don't have the right to challenge the patriotism of those of us who do vote and think saying the pledge is ridiculous.

Muschelewicz

Racing 10-18-2001, 1:10 PM Add to the Discussion
I just can't believe what I keep hearing about on the news with this whole thing.

If this war wouldn't be going on no one would have ever said anything.

My kids are even feeling the shock of this whole thing in Madision and we live 50 miles from there. All the student are concened I don't think its stressful to the little kids but I know they keep asking what in the world is going on. It's so hard to explain it to them.

What the school board needs to do is admit that they went overboard and that they will take care of all the costs because the madision people shouldn't have to pay for their stupid mistake.

Green Reaper

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