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Teen's Treatment Center Death
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New details have emerged in the death of a teenager at a Lancaster County facility for troubled teens. A forensic pathologist said the Allentown teen suffocated after being restrained by staff members at SummitQuest Academy in Ephrata. We'd like to know what you think about this story and the use of restraint in general.

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kjkeller 06-09-2006, 8:33 AM Add to the Discussion
i know there havent been any posts in here in a while, but i felt compelled to add in my two cents. in treatment centers such as SummitQuest, Philhaven, Wernersville, and so on, restraining people is necessary. having a friend that was employed at Philhaven and at SummitQuest, I can say that SummitQuest's restraints are much more aggressive, and it truly is unfortunate and unnecessary that this child died. i don't agree with what happened, but i don't agree that restraints are not necessary.

lost hopes 04-07-2006, 10:52 AM Add to the Discussion
first of all this is to lost boy, why are you relating everything to tv.. 7th heaven, brady bunch.. we are in reality here. what if it was your child who died. Restraining a child isnt a good approach. you obviously dont know what it is like to lose someone who died from this "treatment" which isn't really a good treatment. A child shouldn't die so young, theres so much more to life then being in a hospital. Maybe he would have learned, maybe the center would have helped him learn like its supposed to.

lost hopes 04-07-2006, 8:03 AM Add to the Discussion
Joey was my really good friend and i've been reading up on what people have been saying about him. Im going to say that he was sweetest boy I have even known and I miss him so much. And i don't appreciate People saying bad things about what he shouldnt have done or how he should have listened or it would have never happened, because it did happen . and this place supposed to help him from being the way he was. But i don't think they should have restrained him. I totally agree on what Joey's mother has said.

zombiemom 04-03-2006, 11:21 AM Add to the Discussion
I worked in a residential treatment center for 8 years. I worked there because I felt that I had a knack for reaching troubled teens. Many times these teens would get out of control and attack staff and/or other residents. My main objective during those times was to de-escalate the situation. Often we would spend an hour or more trying to talk through the situation to no avail. Restraints are a necessary technique when you are dealing with adult sized children who have NO internal controls. Many have very little family support or love in their lives; they have little to loose and only feel better when they have taken their anger out physically on someone else. Restraints not only help keep the immediate situation from spiraling into a disaster, they also let the child know that there is someone who cares enough about them to keep them safe. Children can become very scared and out of control when they feel that there is no one that can stop them and their anger. They actually feel safer when they know that there are people around them that will keep them safe if they can not do it themself. As always restraints should be used as a last resort, but to remove them as a tool would be a detriment to the treatment of some children

mguynes 04-01-2006, 9:10 PM Add to the Discussion
I work at a similar facility in Texas and sometimes the kids are a safety risk, to staff and other residents. As staff, we are there to protect everyone. A kid that size would be a real risk and if nobody knew about the enlarged heart, they were probably doing the right thing. The holds are safe and the staff is trained to watch for problems that might occur during one of these restraints. I believe they did the right thing. It's not used as punishment or anything like that. They are only used if absolutely necessary. We are there for all the kids and if one poses a safety hazard, you have to contain him.

maddog

Lost Boy 03-31-2006, 12:38 PM Add to the Discussion
If he'd have listened, he'd be alive. These aren't the Camden kids, or the Brady Bunch inside. Summit Quest houses violent sexual predators, urban gang bangers, etc, all in a residential neighborhood. Unlike a real prison, Summit Quest has no walls, no armed tower guards, even though the crimes commited by these "children" deem them prison worthy. Mandatory court ordered commitment to drug rehab is a joke. It's an option for for slick lawyers to convince overly idealistic judges their client can be forced to change. Notice there are no rehab's in their neighborhood.

MomCat7 03-30-2006, 6:04 PM Add to the Discussion
Wendy provided the following information, and I for one, support what she is saying.

There are alternatives to restraints and in many occasions, restraints are overused. Kids are dying, lots of them. There is a list being compiled of deaths in residential treatment programs, many from restraints. You can find that list at www.caica.org, click on "Deaths" link at the top, then click on "list".

These are children - children who deserved to live. Many of them were sent to programs for ADHD, depression, drug use, and so on. Many facilities are not regulated and do not hire licensed, qualified staff. If you want to learn about these places visit www.caica.org.

I understand that some staff members do not want to lose the ability to restrain kids, but really, there are other de-escalative ways that work. Do you think sometimes staff resort to restraints rather than taking the time to try other, more kind, humane approaches with kids, approaches that are of a loving nature, and that could result in a more positive outcome?

What we are learning is that restraints, especially prone restraints, kill far too many children and should be outlawed everywhere. I know that's harsh and some of you will disagree with me, but I have talked to families whose children have died this way and it is a horrible way to die. And needless.

Please consider there are other ways to treat children than with force. Yes, sometimes a child or adult is completely out of control and something must be done for everyone's safety. But, from all the stories I have read and all the families I have talked to, that was simply not the case and other less physical approaches would have worked in most of those cases.

The Mental Health Association in PA is working with the state to eliminate the need for restraint of children and teens. Restraint is not treatment, and does not improve behavior. www.mhapa.org will have complete information on our restraint work debuting in an online newsletter next month. A good resource for parents and others interested in learning about alternatives to restraint is "In the Name of Treatment, A Parent's Guide to Protecting Your Child From the Use of Restraint, Aversive Interventions, and Seclusion". This guide is available at http://aprais.org/information.html#ParentGuide. The state is also organizing regional meetings- more info at http://pacassp.psych.psu.edu/DPWACT/home.htm Wendy Luckenbill mhapa.org

IZ

mercedes40 03-20-2006, 8:57 PM Add to the Discussion
A persons face does not have to be covered to suffocate. Some youth during violent outburst produce more phleghm and saliva then normal and while gasping for air while struggling he may have aspirated this saliva and suffocated. While in a restraint they are told to relax and after several minutes of relaxation they are released. No one is saying that it should have happened and yes his I would assume his vitals should have been monitored better but until all the information is reported one can only speculate. And yes small women can and do restrain these youth as well as very large men. Talk to the "system" about the number of youth or staff at a facility. Most of the front line staff would agree with you about the numbers but the top brass that controls the money will not.

skippy2005 03-17-2006, 12:52 PM Add to the Discussion
I would agree with all of you if a person suffocated in 30 seconds. It takes minutes to suffocate someone. It shouldn't take minutes to get a person restrained properly with enough people to do so. One person says if the kid is this big etc...... Then you should have plenty of bigger people to restrain him. What are we using 100lb women?If the center can't do it's work with the staff it has then it either needs more people on staff to control these situations or it needs less patients.

I'm inclined to believe that once again the "bottom line" is more important than the safety of anyone, patients or staff. I'm not necessarily taking the side of the patients or voicing an opinion against any of the staff but there is obviously a problem when a kid is dieing due to suffocation. If the center can't protect everyone involved then it needs to close.......... And that's what I see, CRYSTAL CLEAR, with NO GLASSES!!!!

mercedes40 03-16-2006, 7:41 PM Add to the Discussion
Skippy you are out of line and are obviously wearing rose colored glasses. If you think it is so cut and dry then I challenge you to work in a facility for violent teens. I'm sure it will crack those glasses of yours. Death was not and is never a desired outcome. Our society has many safety devices that sometimes are not effective and result in death but that doesn't stop us from using them.Everyday we take a shower, drive a car, cross the street, ride amusement rides, swim and put our babies to sleep with blankets that can kill but nobody is trying to ban these things. People who work with children with violent behaviors don't do it because it's a good paying job, glamorous or fun they do it because it is a calling an unexplainable feeling of wanting to help kids that know one ever really cared for and most of society have given up on. They do it because they want their future to be better and to help end the cycle of abuse. They do it because they CARE. Collecting garbage would certainly pay better and would be less demanding and emotionally straining. I can't help but wonder how many lives have been saved by physical restraint. I know it saved my life once from a 14 year old. 5 months after my attack and restraint the same youth stabbed a random women on the street and was charged with attempted murder. I could have been murdered if I was not trained in restraints. I wish life could be black and white but the good and evil blend and we must learn to live in a gray world.

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