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Christmas Tree Removed From Law School
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Discussion Started: 12-05-2003, 2:56 AM
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A Christmas tree was removed Dec. 2 from an atrium at the Indiana University School of Law in Indianapolis. An IUPUI spokesman said the removal happened because some people complained it made them feel excluded. Some students then complained about the removal, and some also said they should have been allowed to have input about the decision. What do you think about this issue?
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CaptMike97
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12-25-2003, 11:04 AM
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As a life time IU Alumni Member (Class of 74), I was indeed shocked and dismayed to learn of the Law School decision to remove a Christmas Tree from it's atrium, especially since this issue has been decided in the courts in 1989 (The professors at the Law School need to brush up on their law history). I cannot fathom the idea that a few individuals can require a respected institution of higher learning to take an action which is contrary to what the overwhelming majority of students feel and believe (take a look at your own poll). Following the reasoning of these childish professors who complained, if he doesn't like sports, then we should eliminate them from the school because he feels left out and isolated. Maybe we should eliminate this web site because it doesn't cater to the whim of a few individuals. Should we eliminate the Little 500 bike race in Bloomington because someone at IU doesn't ride a bike and feels they are disenfrancised by the event. Maybe we should eliminate all campus student parties because someone wasn't included on the guest list and feels left out. Isn't it time for the majority of good Americans to stop this insanity of a few. I think that students who support the Christmas tree should have the guts to demand the tree be put back up or walk! Are the majority of you at IU wimps who are going to let a far left liberal professor decide that you can not celebrate a major American Holiday on your campus? As an Alumni of IU, you can bet I am going to make myself heard at every level possible! Time to take a stand!!
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4given70x7
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12-08-2003, 12:33 PM
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Breezy Peyton, I find it disturbing that you consider yourself a follower of Jesus Christ. Examples of why you are misguided: 1) You do NOT believe God's rules apply to everyone. 2) You believe Jesus was tolerant of views like yours. Please examine your beliefs and compare them to Jesus' and those of his apostles. Finally, and I know not soon enough for most of you, Breezy, it is better to offend someone by showing them the error of their ways, than to watch them self destruct. If your child enjoys playing in the middle of I-65, do you fret over offending her by disagreeing with her activity or do you love her enough to save her life. I have many faults. If my friends and family truly love me, their concern for my feelings will be at the bottom of the list of reasons not to help correct my path.
Love the sinner, not the sin.
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gwarren483
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12-07-2003, 11:44 PM
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It would seem that those in charge at the law school have given in to blackmail by a very small minority. Quite a sad commentary it would seem, considering that they are charged with the responsibility of educating students on the rule of law.
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randed
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12-05-2003, 7:18 PM
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Unfortunately, the ranting of one professor, supported by ranting of a minority of other professors are responsible for this. The news stations have only interviewed professors who possess these narrow-minded views. Talk to a couple of the conservative professors and they would call these other professors bigots. Unfortunately, it a law school setting, these radical view points seem to rule, even though many of the students do not subscribe to them. Students were not surprised to learn the culprit was Flroence Roisman. It was not surpised to learn of the other professors supporting the decisions. These professors are the same professors who protested a flad being put in the atrium or the singing of the National Anthem when the war in Iraq began. The professor runs her class in the same radical manner. Those who possess her views (few) are coddled, while those who do not are ridiculed. Someone made the comment that those students opposing the tree (although there is no proof a student actually complained) probably are not good students. You mnay be right, although in her class the students would receive an A. These state-run schools fnded by your tax dollars are trying to foster these radical view points. Many students are thankful for this controversy so tax payers can finally know what really goes on in the schools for which we all pay.
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randed
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12-05-2003, 7:12 PM
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I am a law student at IU - Indy. I am one of the 100s of students who protested the rmeoval of the tree. The law school claims the removal was for a couple of students that felt excluded. The truth is that it was for 1 professor, Florence Roisman. For those that say we are hypocrites since we, as attorneys, are repsonsible for the attack on religion, it is simply not true. Unfortunately, it is a small minority, just as a small minority are responsible for the tree, responsible for this attack. I am not religious, yet I am unoffended by religiopus symbols. There are coutnless students who feel the same, be they atheist, agnostic, Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. Talk to many attorneys and you will find we are not all radicals. Many of despise the Politcal correctness that has taken over our country.
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bgobrien
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12-05-2003, 1:29 PM
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By the way, this issue has nothing to do with private property (decorating your own house), it has to do with public property (indiana university). But if you prefer to look at it blindly...
Breezy Peyton
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Jennifer1477
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12-05-2003, 1:25 PM
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It is completely appropriate to remove a religious symbol from a public institution. No religion should be promoted in a public institution. Religion is a private matter and should be treated that way.
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bgobrien
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12-05-2003, 1:24 PM
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It is just like the average Hoosier to think that their God's rules should apply to everyone. It amazes me to read such intolerant and ignorant messages. What if they decided to place a star of david and no tree, or perhaps something to celebrate the Muslim tradition. My guess is you would be saying to take it down. To support this is to not support separation of state and church.
A Christian concerned about offending friends,
Breezy Peyton
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DEE14
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12-05-2003, 1:08 PM
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As most everywhere in the US nowadays, we allow a small portion(according to your poll--4%) to decide what is appropriate. Soon they will decide which books are appropriate for the libraries and schools and might as well remove the inappropriate ones. (Perhaps they can burn them).
Do you see where I am going?
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lawyr2b
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12-05-2003, 1:04 PM
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FYI - For those of you putting down attorneys, as a future attorney you should know that the reason that this is in the news is because there was such an outcry from the student body after this was done. The majority of the students felt like the administration acted arbitrary and capricious. And the majority has no problems with putting a menorah in the school atrium. But if they are going to remove items from the school because of it's alleged "christian" connection, then they should not be cancelling classes on jewish holidays. The one professor who supported the removal of the tree expects the students to be tolerant of her cancelling classes so she can celebrate her holidays, but she has no tolerance for anyone else's beliefs.
Marie Castetter
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