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Discuss the Lisl Auman Case
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Discussion Started: 01-15-2004, 12:01 PM
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Lisl Auman was convicted in the shooting death of a Denver police officer, even though she was in custody before he was killed.
Her case has stirred debate on both sides and the Colorado Supreme Court has now overturned her murder conviction.
Did they do the right thing? Should Lisl Auman be given a new trial?
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OBSERVER50
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06-20-2005, 6:41 PM
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The DPD have my sympathy and support in the prosecution of this case - any time a law officer dies in the line of duty we should all expect a full and rapid investigation and that swift punishment is meted out to whomever caused that officer to lose his life.
But its my suspicion that the DA and his prosecutorial staff, in this case, are "beating the bush" to find SOMEONE (ANYONE) to punish for a longer period of time. Even more so since the actual perpetrator of the crime had already been killed by law enforcement and there is an effort to exact a longer-term punishment since Jaehnig's death was over in a split second. Lisl Auman made a stupid, abysmal mistake in allowing Matthaus Jaehnig to even become involved in her efforts to retrieve her posessions - but this mistake is certainly not worth her life! Somehow this does NOT seem to be any form of "justice" - only retribution and retaliation in the name of "legal proceedings" - allowed in total by the Colorado law makers who contributed in passing such an "overheated" and retaliatory law that allows this form of criminal charge in the first place. I find it mind-boggling that someone may be subject to a life sentence for a crime committed by another during a questionable action... It is incomprehensible. How could she or anyone possibly be able to anticipate the actions of a "psychopathic loose-cannon" like Jaehnig. Does ANYONE actually believe that on the morning of that fateful day that Auman - or even Matthaus Jaehnig - had any intention of committing ANY crime? It nearly sounds more like "prosecutorial misconduct" in filing a charge against someone who could have no idea that this "dirt-ball" (who supposedly she JUST met that day) was capable of committing such a stupid act. This is the United States of America, not some hyper-conservative Islamic mullah's school for revenge. Or at least I hope .....
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Georgi Gir
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06-02-2005, 12:22 PM
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Lisl Auman IS a Patsy Pasty Patsy for the DPD
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FREELISL
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06-01-2005, 11:23 AM
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It is without question that both the DPD and the Denver DA's office needed a patsy. DA Bill Ritter to further his political career and the DPD to to further their agenda in retaliation for the death of one of their own. Doesn't matter if she ACTUALLY DID IT, but By God, the DPD got even. Ritter, who resided conveniently in the back pocket of the DPD for over a decade, corrupted the case even more by soliciting perjured/amended statements from DPD officers AFTER THE FACT to bolster his case.
What is truly scary, is this former District Attorney of questionable integrity is joining the 2006 governor's race, with the life of a young girl will paving his way.
Free Lisl
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simo
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03-30-2005, 7:44 AM
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To the moderators of this website, how about asking a legitimate question that actually pertains to the case. If you read the Supreme Court's decision, it did not matter she was in police custody at the time, as per not only the Supreme Court, but also the Appelate Court, that is a decision for the jury. The jury found she was CULPABLE. Both courts upheld the Felony Murder Conviction. Do some background guys. How about making it an ambiguous question concerning this case rather than drum up un-needed support for her through your medium. It would be a breath of fresh air if someone would ask a question concerning how Anna and Haley feel about this or what, as human beings, you would be going through if this happened to you. Auman did not expect anyone to be kill as a result, but I don't believe Bruce intended to be kill as a result of her actions either.
Warrior of the thin blue line
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simo
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03-30-2005, 7:41 AM
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For all of you who believe she was a "PatsY", look at the law and how it reads. She was properly charged and convicted for the crime. But not for the fact of a clerical error, she would still be in prison where she belongs. You can be tried twice for the same crime when a new trial has been ordered. Please try and attempt to know the law before professing it.
Warrior of the thin blue line
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Lindah101
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03-29-2005, 7:49 AM
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Finally................
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mevyscen
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03-28-2005, 6:33 PM
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A comparison here: the man (Harlan) convicted of raping and brutally mudering a woman recives the same sentence as Lisl Auman. Yes she did not do the proper thing and go to court to get her belongings back, yes she was in the car with the man that killed the police officer, but no she did not have a preplanned idea that she wasnt to be a modern day Bonnie and Clyde. She made one stupid mistake and is sentenced to life. This does not make sense to me.
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Georgi Gir
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03-28-2005, 11:55 AM
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Denver PD NEEDED A PATSY then and that PATSYs name WAS/IS Lisl Auman!! The judge/jury messed up BIG TIME then, and NOW, they can RIGHT IT, by giving Auman a new trial. BUT!! You really can't try a person TWICE for the SAME offence. Isn't that double idemienty (sp?) LET HER GO!!!
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lorir77
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03-28-2005, 10:53 AM
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I'm am so relieved Lisl will be getting another chance to get her life back. She has paid any debt she may have had to society. Two people lost their lives. As long as Lisl is locked up, she also has lost her life. And Lisl has family and friends who love and miss her, and their lives are also devastated. I don't think most people consider the pain and horror of having a loved one in prison. My prayers for Lisl and her family are starting to be answered.
Thank you, Shy
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zivo24
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03-28-2005, 10:15 AM
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Even my mother, who worked for the Denver police department for 25 years and knew Officer Vander Jagt, believes that the punishment given to Lisl Auman was too severe.
All things need to be considered when determining guilt and punishment. Lisl Auman had known Mattheas Jaehning, the murderer of Officer Vander Jagt, for less then 24 hours when this crime occurred.
I absolutely believe that she deserved to be punished for the burglary that instigated this whole event, but it is absolutely unreasonable for anyone to come to the conclusion that she would suspect that Jaehning would escalate the situation to the extremes that he did. She may have jumped in to the car he was driving, but there has never been any proof that she was a willing participant in the rampage that ensued.
Lisl Auman has paid the price for the crime she committed and then some. Stop making her pay for Mattheas Jaehning's crimes, as well.
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