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Greeley ID Theft Immigration Raid
T O P I C Discussion Started: 12-12-2006, 11:57 AM Add to the Discussion
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Federal agents raided the Greeley Swift & Company plant following an investigation into alleged ID thefts that began in February. What are your thoughts about story?

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napper24 05-02-2007, 6:48 PM Add to the Discussion
This is the type of enforcement action that should be taking place all over the state and the nation. The owners and managers of businesses that perpetuate this type of activity should be punished. The list of businesses that 7 News announced as wanting to eleminate the business owners responsibility for hiring only legal citizens or legal immigrants should be the first businesses investigated. If wages have to increace to attact legal workers, then so be it. Prices are going up anyway...why not pay wages to people who follow the law? Perhaps a large fine and jail time would convince Boards of Directors that it is cost effective to hire legal workers.

Triskelion 03-05-2007, 12:39 PM Add to the Discussion
Here are my broad points of view and insight in politics referencing Dick Lamm's "How to Destroy America" (I read it years ago); "How to Destroy America" is Dick Lamm's eight methods of cynical processes to quell the fundamentalist America. It is an anti-ethnic, cultural whitewashing doctrine.

Lamm states: "It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual."

Lamm institutes the "salad bowl metaphor", which he claims cultural entities in America would be significantly incompatible with "Americans", on the premise that they have zero tolerance for other cultures. Lamm admits that the "fastest growing demographic group" is in fact the least educated. Why do think that is? He pushes for a unified language, not bilingualism, so how can you expect any success if you cannot understand what is being conveyed?

Lamm states: "I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority."

That is exactly what the government wants you to believe. It is the people's fault, not their own. The government wants and needs a scapegoat for their every cause, and it has always been blamed on the majority. The citizens. You and me. They want us to be hateful, to instill prejudice to our young so they will have no tolerance, to be better prepared to fight their wars for them when it comes time.

"Diversity over unity", Lamm claims. Unification of a country would then be theoretically forced, with the foundation of hate and prejudice. America WILL turn into a "Kosovo" with that idealism.

And, Victor Davis Hanson's "Mexifornia";

Reiterated idioms of the late. Fairly typical of a retired professor. It contains nothing new, and certainly not worthy of any shocking epiphanies. You probably just added it on the basis of it being contained within Dick Lamm's speech. Not surprising to me. You all must open your eyes to the macrocosmic prospects. It is not about Social Security, Medicare, minimum wages... The government can supply 300 billion dollars for a war to support a ghost democracy in another country, to provide free health care to citizens of that entire country, yet this same government cannot do the same for its very own.

We have third-world societies in America. It is the Indian Reservations. The government is still neglecting these natives, with a continued course of genocide. It is the black ghettos of the big cities spanning this country. The government is still neglecting these cultures, with a continued course of suppression. It is the barrios, the Mexican towns which have been here for centuries. The government purposefully neglects these citizens, and with it, the reason for unaccountability and documentation of the people who inhabit them.

Who's fault is it to have brought this country to these Civil Wars? Not yours. Not mine.

Who's fault will it be to have done nothing to implement and exercise amendments for transfiguring a government which is failing us all? Yours. Mine.

If you are Native American, then you should be ashamed of yourself. How can a person of such great historic oppression and genocide be so anti-cultured? The Native Americans are denied governmental benefits, just like the Latinos. Lamm pushes for the exact same. You would be termed a "Blue Coat" if you were living in the 19th century. Your "Brothers and Sisters" are living several families to one home, just like your neighbors. WalMart sells Dream Catchers, a Native American article, so why can they not sell a Mexican Flag? Dick Lamm is true Democratic, and if you are so proclaimed anti-Dem, you should rethink your allegiance.

Lastly, isn't it a prerequisite to obtain English within a Master's? (Lamm not Lamn, "did I.." should be ended with a ?, thru is for fast food, Governor not Govenor). Your Masters Degree is irrelevant.

Point made. (Yawn).

Iwasbornhe 03-02-2007, 7:31 PM Add to the Discussion
Triskelion

I am not ready to retire. I am not worried about a quarter. I do not watch my neighbors on my ass thru glasses. Golly, I am a native of Colorado of native American Blood (that means I am an Indian!!) just to make that clear for you. I have a Masters Degree and gee, did I sit on my ass to get that. To argue with you is pointless as you have limited points of view and even less insight in politics. Try reading Ex-Govenor Lamns points on illegal aliens or better yet read Mexifornia.

A native of Colorado and the USA

AvsFan87 03-02-2007, 2:51 PM Add to the Discussion
Why is it facetious? I?m certainly not saying that criminals, and thieves, including the fence-jumpers, are fed to the lions on their first offense. Fool me once shame on me but fool me twice shame on you. I am all for aggressive changes to our laws including penalties up to and including public feedings to lions. I am so sick of hearing about ILLEGALS who were deported and are back within a week laughing at our laws and mocking our ability to enforce them. The Feline Americans living in our country, who I might add are here legally, do not receive the donations they once did and the Big Cat Reserves are in danger of having to euthanize these fine creatures as they cant afford to feed them. Why not kill two birds with one stone. Toughen up our laws to send a message, then lets make examples out of some folks. Once we have a line in the sand that people are afraid to cross we will not see ILLEGALS coming back three and four times after being deported. In addition to fence jumpers I suggest the same thing for all criminals, in particular thieves. Most Americans work hard and I think would support getting rid of people who would rather steal their belongings and or identity than doing the same thing and working hard themselves.

Triskelion 03-02-2007, 12:22 PM Add to the Discussion
mynotoros- or, "not your gold" (arbitrarily redundant...)

I am using calculated deductive reasoning for my assumptions. My reasoning is, if they were politically active they wouldn't be complaining about trivial issues such as flags in a flower arrangement. Surely that is proof enough that they cannot be truly politically active. If they were, I would hope they would have something greater to debate other than elementary vices. And if they are, I will certainly look for a ballot initiative to ban liberties of color in a retail outlet. Maybe it will be called the "Monochromatic Mopping Initiative".

You stated: "How do you know these people sit on their buns? My guess is that you DON'T. They could be more politically active than you are. You call yourself trying to make political change, but that's not good enough. How about trying to make POSITIVE political change?"

How do you know what political change I am making? My guess is that YOU don't. Hypocrisy is alive and well. How can my opposition of killing or chopping off hands be negative? I am quite certain that my proposition IS positive.

"Feeding folks to the lions" and the like, is allocated within the lines of motive and is subject to interpretation and response. It is subject to real intent of human harm for reason and consequence. Being facetious is blind in a characterless forum and therefore poses no regulation.

Also, you fail to state the law which you are referencing for minimum wage tolerances as there are many. Your structural foundation for an argument is in muddy water. Point out to me where I mentioned ANYTHING about minimum wage. I did not, therefore your head-in-sand assessment is void. If I were burying my head in the sand, then I wouldn't have anything to say to begin with, would I?

mynotoros 03-01-2007, 9:47 PM Add to the Discussion
Hey Trisket, (crunchy and tasteless...)

How do you know these people sit on their buns? My guess is that you DON'T. They could be more politically active than you are.

You call yourself trying to make political change, but that's not good enough. How about trying to make POSITIVE political change?

You and I both know feeding folks to the lions is just facetious. But they do have a point. We need to make it really tough for these illegals.

Just tell me, would you, how raising the minimum wage (a prime goal of dems) will do us any good at all if illegals are allowed free reign, along with their greedy employers- to ignore those very same laws? Well if the wages are all lowered down to sub-min wages via illegal, wouldn't that be something dems could and should work to change? Instead, they bury their heads in the sand and pretend to do something by passing a law, while ignoring existing laws.

And if you consider burying your head in the sand to be political activity, then your Trisket moniker really does fit you.

Triskelion 02-28-2007, 7:55 PM Add to the Discussion
Iwasbornhe-

Let's see, a native Coloradoan who is living in Greeley and is concerned about their retirement plan and the senior population. Hmmm. My guess is, you are retired or reaching that age. Well, you should know by now that Colorado has ALWAYS had a large Hispanic population. Now that this Swift raid by ICE has been highlighted on a national level, people are beginning to come out of the woodwork to cry and complain. Perhaps if you and others didn't like the view, you should have spent some of your earlier days contributing to the Democratic system to try and change things. Or move. But no, you "people" (borrowed your derogatory connotation) would rather watch your neighbors through binoculars from the safety of your "VERY" nice homes and boycott a retailer on the premise of selling flowers with a Mexican flag, or throw a tantrum because you have to pay a couple of quarters to get your news. But why should you have to ruin a perfectly good afternoon tea party gossiping couch politics, when it might be easier for you to just "feed illegal aliens to the 'Big Cats'"? Killing seems to be the cure-all for Republican Conservatives these days.

And, my head is not in my "A", it is motivated daily to make REAL change in our political system. I suggest you get off your "A" and start doing the same.

Also a native of Colorado and the USA.

Iwasbornhe 02-28-2007, 2:04 PM Add to the Discussion
I love the suggestion of feeding illegal aliens to the "Big Cats". It will send a strong message across the border that we have reached our patience with these people. For those of us who just happen to live in Greeley; this town is a dark hole for illegals. ICE would be very busy 24 hours a day if they honestly knew how many there are and how many homes have three or four families living in them. I have two houses behind me that have this situation and I live in a VERY nice neighborhood! I use to patron Walmart in Greeley but after walking in on Sunday morning to find flower arrangements in the red, green and white with a MEXICAN FLAG hanging out of them I turned and walked out of Walmat. I will shop at a Grocery store and Target from now on. And the one thing that just really angers me is our local paper - THE TRIBUNE. Americans pay for it but the LA TRIBUNA is free! I support ICE and all Americans should because the Democrats and Liberals have NO idea what this situation is doing to our economy, MY retirement plan, or the SENIORs in this country. People, get your heads out of your "A" before it is too late

A native of Colorado and the USA

AvsFan87 02-28-2007, 12:43 PM Add to the Discussion
It is unfortunate that the zoo keeper was recently attacked and killed. I am a zoo member and very saddened by the tragedy. I?m just saying we need tougher laws. Crime is rampant and stiffer penalties will reduce it. And Yes I?m in favor of the death penalty, preferably in a public forum. Should someone be fed to a lions for stealing or jumping the fence to ILLEGALY enter our country on a first offense, no absolutely not. But once they do their jail time and/or are deported and they commit the same crime a second time, that shows absolute disregard for our country and our laws. I say change the laws to include a penalty that will not allow for a 3rd offense. See related stories on the ILLEGALS who were working at the Air Force Academy, were deported, and then were back within a week. Or the Smuggler who recently killed 4 people in Idaho Springs smuggling them into our state/country. He had been deported FOUR other times.

Also not sure if you noticed not but since the raids as the SWIFT plant they have had to raise their wages by almost $5.00 an hour as they are not allowed to exploit the ILLEGALS who are willing to work for whatever someone will pay them. That means legal citizens make more as the ILLEGALS can?t drive down the wage. (supply and demand)

One last note that in addition to harsher penalties for ILLEGAL immigrants and criminals in general. I am strongly in favor of much harsher penalties for the people who exploit and employee the ILLEGAL aliens. See how many ILLEGALS have jobs if employers face a $100,000 fine and a year in prison for each example of an undocumented worked. NO PAY = NO REASON TO STAY!

Triskelion 02-27-2007, 11:40 AM Add to the Discussion
AvsFan87-

What insensitive idiocy to illustrate human feeding with "big cats" in reference to the recent atrocity at the Denver Zoo. Maybe perhaps you should pay more attention to the news since you are using a principal Colorado News network forum. Also, your idea of Nationalism is actually closer to Nazism.

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