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The ABC Miniseries "Path To 9/11"
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Discussion Started: 09-08-2006, 12:00 PM
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ABC airs a miniseries drawn from interviews and documents including the report of the Sept. 11 commission. What are your thoughts about the program?
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ptrkr1
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10-13-2006, 10:39 AM
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So we want to blame everything on Clinton lets discuss how idiotic that really is. First off Bin laden wouldnt have ever become an issue if the US govt hadnt been supporting the afghan mujahadeen to begin with. To calim that this is all Clintons fault has to be one of the most moronic things I have ever heard. This whole deal with bin laden went sour in the early 80s with Reagan (a republican) at the wheel. Then we get four years of bush senior (republican) that couldnt be considered a bigger aste of four years if he had tried. Finally we get Bill Clinton (democrat) a man who actually delivered on balancing the budget creating massive surpluses, and managed to run this country the way it should be run. Then we get Bush jr (republican). a mediocre man who makes the most horrendous policy decisions, decisions that make us less safe, decisions that reward the super rich at the expense of the poor, and fortunately for Bush their are people like skyrokhet and solomonII that are willing to toe the party line, Dismiss all the facts, and substitute them with the bush administrations dispicable rewriting of history. I have also notice that solomon and skyrokhet chimed in on the marijuana debate. Their responses have that traditional right wing flavor, Thay and for that matter the vast majority of right wing republicans have decided that they know best, facts are useless, and because of their so called morals the cant be wrong. Yes clinton deserves some of the blame, But the man at the wheel when we were attacked was BUSH not Clinton, the man that is still ignoring the recommendations of the 9/11 commision is BUSH not clinton. The man who has divided this country like never before is BUSH not clinton. To Skyrocket and solomon get your facts straight before you chime in, And im not talking about your right wing revised to suit your cause facts, but the real fact the rest of us rely on. It is obviouse that the failed policies of bush, rumsfeld and their ilk have caused damage that will take years to fix. I just hope there are enough people out there who have opened their eyes and seen that the reason we are where we are is the fault of the CURRENT administration and no other.
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stevoroony
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09-15-2006, 10:39 PM
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Zivo24:
No I was not under a rock. There was a connection between saddam and al queda, I said the claim between saddam and 9/11 was never made. That is the distinction.
Clinton, Gore, Albright, just to name a few also said that saddam had weapons of mass destruction. I will provide the quotes in context if you want them. The British have always stood by its claim that saddam sought uranium from Africa. Now, unless you haven't been paying attention that claim has been determined to be true.
Iraq certainly has a lot of oil and when we start stealing it I will concede the argument to you. They also had a murdering torturing, raping thug and sons dictator, that thumbed his nose at the world for 12 years. saddam also was paying the families of palestinian suicide bombers. WMD was one of many reasons to go to war.
In the realm of misjudgements, lets not forget the missed opportunities to get the creator of all of this hell. I find it odd that money would be your first consideration when it comes to the sacrifices that have been made in this war. Make no mistake, this war started long before 9/11 and it took that horrible day to get us to respond with appropriate force.
peace.
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zivo24
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09-14-2006, 1:36 PM
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To Presmuffy,
There is a lot of posts blaming 9/11 on Clinton for not having bin Laden assassinated when he allegedly had the chance (according to this mini-series) during his presidency.
I was simply trying to make the point that bin Laden wouldn't have been in the position he was in if it wasn't for Reagan and the Bushes.
I didn't bend any facts. So, Massoud was part of the same resistance to the Soviet invasion that bin Laden was. Massoud was a native Afghan fighting for his country. Bin Laden was a self-deluded mercenary from Saudi Arabia.
And as your "the enemy of my enemy is my friend adage"...remember that it is believed that Massoud's assassination, 2 days before 9/11, was ordered by bin Laden so that he would have the favor of the Taliban regime.
My underlying point is that Reagan and Bush Sr. both played a significant role in helping bin Laden get to the position he is in today. They, like Bush Jr, were playing nation builders - trying to spread democracy through covert means and force, if necessary.
Blaming Clinton for not cleaning up their mistake does not make 9/11 his fault.
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presmuffly
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09-14-2006, 12:10 AM
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to ZIVO24: With regards to Usama, you stated in one post, "You blame Clinton for not killing him in the mid-90's but you don't blame the Bushes for doing business with his family that provides money to him or Reagan to giving him an army in the first place." So we can assume then that you felt in the 1980's it would have been better policy to let the Russians take Afghanistan? And since you are so willing to point out that the US Government supported & supplied weaponry to an army that included Usama, you seem to conveniently neglect to mention that the same army included Ahmed Massoud,who later became the leader of the Northern Alliance and fought against Usama and the Taliban. Do you understand the adage: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend?" You are just as guilty of finger pointing and bending facts to fit your agenda as the folks you rail against here.
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." - President Merkin Muffley
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zivo24
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09-13-2006, 5:21 PM
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Stevoroony,
Were you living under a rock at the start of the war?
I've seen tons of news footage from that time with Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc, all claiming that Iraq had ties to al Queda.
Oh...they also said Iraq had WMD.
Turns out that all Iraq had was oil.
Hope you find their midjudgments are worth the billions of dollars that have been spent on that war, not to mention the countless lives lost.
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Skyrokhet
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09-13-2006, 5:03 PM
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The liberals will do anything to stop the war until they get back in power. The war is about the terrorists, not just one group but all that are over there. They have proven that they can attack at will in the US. I am sure whoever is elected president, and it will be a Dem that they will say they will stop the war and once they get into office it will be a different story. The other thing is all the men and women who have died or been wounded will then be nothings. Their sacrafice will be in vain to end the terrorists stronghold in the Mid-East.
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stevoroony
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09-13-2006, 9:50 AM
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Native1, When did the U.S. kill someone just because of their beliefs?
The claim of a connection between saddam and 9/11 has never been made. It is just a tactic by the Bush hating crowd to confuse the issue. In WWII, Hitler had nothing to do with the attack on Peal Harbor, but it was time to do something about that threat.
peace.
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native 1
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09-12-2006, 10:30 PM
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Let's see, some are claiming we are in a war in Iraq because of what happened 9/11 How does taking down Saddam eliminate the threat of Osama. And now there is this argument about who's fault it is that 9/11 happened. Am I the only one who finds the irony in this? It doesn't matter who should have done what, but why are we sending our Reserves (yes that's correct most of our troops over there are in the reserves) into a country that did not have strong Al-Quida ties, but had Bush SR nemisis. Sounds like this war had nothing to do with GW's "war on terrorism", but was a way to save face for SR. I guess it really doesn't matter whether you like the program or not. It really doesn't matter if you watch it or not. We all have the freedom to make our own choices. Freedom to choose what you watch and where you spend your money, who you vote for, and yes even this forum are yours due to the many lives dedicated to service to this country. And yes to the laws of this land.
As was said by someone, there are laws against the US just killing someone because of their beliefs. Yes, there were threats, but you can't "kill or lock up" everyone just for making threats. If we did that we would have to apply this equally to all people who make threats. I know I would have been punished more than once.
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Skyrokhet
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09-12-2006, 8:24 PM
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The Clinton administration is to blame. If he had paid more attention to what was going on rather than the young interns 9/11 would not have happened. I will grant that the agencies that are supposed to protect us did not. We are still not safe. My husband travles with an amazing assortment of comuter related things. Wires, lap top and all sorts of other gadgets. The only time he was searched was in Chicago. They did not search his computer case but his carry on clothes bag. They took out his underwear and searched that. The computer with the wires and hard drives and the like they did not even look at. I did not watch this show, but Clinton needs to take his share of blame which from what I have read this show did state.
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SolomonII
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09-12-2006, 3:06 PM
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It looks all the Clinton fans are writing their own distorted Miniseries to defend their hero. You would think Clinton the Grand Liar of all time wrote all this B.S. himself! The fact of the matter is that all decent Americans and most of the rest of this country will always remember him as a Lying, Draft Dodging, Pot Smoking Immoral womanizer with no "Character" who was preoccupied with his legal problems to govern this country and protect us from the events leading up to 9/11. George Bush is no prize either, The difference is honest Americans will never defend the thing he's done wrong. Oh well "Birds of a Feather Flock Together.
SolomonII
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