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Day Of Action March
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Discussion Started: 05-01-2006, 12:24 PM
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Wearing symbolic white and waving both American and Mexican flags, tens of thousands of people marched through Denver on Monday, hoping to demonstrate the economic power of immigrants -- illegal and legal -- across the country.
What do you think of the march? Does it send a message?
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jmfslots
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07-14-2006, 8:30 PM
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I told myself I would not get in any further discussion on this subject, but I read the message from KsLady 1954 and agree with what she says. The politicians are using the immigration issue for cosmetic purposes only. They try to claim that illegals do not receive food stamps or welfare. That is a bunch of "Cow Pucky". They do and anyone around them or who deals with them knows so. One big problem is the system of accountability our Country has. It stinks. If I needed medical assistance or food stamps, I would have to learn Spanish. I have little sympathy for the cases where the parents are illegal and the kids legal because they were born in this country. These kids become citizens simply by being born here. I don't agree with that either. If the Government gives any kind of priority route to citizenship to illegals here now, they are only giving a reward for break the law, but also penalizing those who do apply, like they are suppose to do, and wait to enter legally. I am not against immigration- I am totally against "Illegal" immigration. Illegal means against the law. If you break the law they should be held accountable, be prosecuted and sent back. Any leniency for these law breakers is out of the question. Shut down the border, send violators back, severely penalize those who hire illegals and also those who rent to them. Those who provide false identification and those who smuggle illegals in should be locked up until they are old and gray. The biggeast threat is that it's not only illegals using up government programs, designed to assist legal citizens in need, but the fact that illegals can also be terrorists sneaking across the border. With bombs in hand. Wake up America. Jim
Thank You, Jim Freilinger
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KsLady1954
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06-30-2006, 7:00 PM
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This topic is getting very interesting.My comment to Hernandez1 is,,,first of all,he has no clue what hes talking about,,,I live in Western Colorado,and this part is crawling with mexicans.I dont want to hear about these people get up at 5 every morning to go work in the fields,,these are the same ones,,most of them,,who deal in drugs,and get food stamps every month,Ive been a cashier for 11 years,,I see how much food stamps they get a month,and a check too from THE UNITES STATES GOVERNMENT,,,if our goverenment only knew those people USE each others kids to get this assistance,they might take blood test on each and every one of them to make sure,Our governemt is wayy to trusting,and helpful,in the past 20 years,,the Americans are turned down for help from our good "ol governement,,,they know there will be a MEXICAN walking throught the front doors of the welfair office and they will have to help them,,,,HELP THE MEXICAN must have been added to OUR constitution.So,No one can make me feel sorry for those people,,,,we wouldnt be treated 1/2 as good as we treat them here if we were in thier country,,and as far as THEYRE COUNTRY BEING TAKIN AWAY,,Mr Hernandez should read his history book,,I mean,the USA History book,,,We DIDNT take THEIR country,,,THEIR PRESIDENT sold it to the USA!!!!!! The sooner President Bush Sends them BACK to where they belong,the better off our country will be,Im tired of paying for their kids to be born here,,everytime i see a new mexican baby,I think,,"i own part of that baby"after all,,,I,among all of the Americans,we payed the hospital bill.Sorry,but,Ive seen alot concerning those people,,,and i do not feel sorry for them,,,,,they say they dont speak English,,but,they learned very well and FAST how to say/.."I need food stamps to feed my kids,the dad left,and all the time SHES lieing to the government to get help help,,her Husband is sitting out in their brand new pick-up,,,wearing all kinds of those STUPID gold chains.Thankyou,,KsLady1954
Pamela Brouse
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vonbiggs
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06-21-2006, 10:03 PM
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To all of you who think that we took their land from them...go back to school and freshen up on your U.S History.
1- Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848). This ended the Mexican/American War in which an agreement was made that Mexico would give up 525,000 Square miles of land. This includes Parts of Arizona, Colorado and New Mexico; and all of Utah, Nevada and California. But they didn?t really give it up. The United states Paid Mexico $15,000,000.00 (15 Million for those who cannot count zeros), which is close to a billion dollars today. Also, we acquired $3.25 Million in debts that Mexico owed to U.S Citizens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guadalupe_Hidalgo
2- The Gadsden Purchase (1853). A man by the name of James Gadsden was sent by the government to purchase the rest of Arizona and far south-west New Mexico, 29,000+ square miles of land. We got ripped off on that deal. We paid $10 million for 1/18 of the land that we paid 18 million dollars for in 1848. This territory is definitely ours and we should guard it with honor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_Purchase
In all we paid of $28 million dollars over 150 years ago for what used to be Mexico, but is now part of the United States. (And I use the word United loosely)
Accept it!
Respectfully, Von Biggs
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Skyrokhet
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06-07-2006, 6:23 PM
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For the most part the illegals have no attachment to the US. They only want to make money, get free health care, schools, food and whatever else the US wants to give them. If they are so determined to make a better life here, why don't they do it legally. Yes we are a nation of immigrants, even the Native Americans. The North, South and Central America areas did not produce early man, they came from Africa went into Europe and Asia and then into North America and other places in the world. I resent my money going to people who are illegal.
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lijah10780
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06-06-2006, 3:59 PM
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Actually the "day w/out immigrants" makes no sense. The issue the US is dealing w/now has to do w/illegal immigrants, not immigrants who are here legally. Immigrants in general are people who came here legally to live. Like my great grandparents. Went about the proper channels to get citizenship. It was a pain in the butt but they said it was all worth it. It's the illegal ones who are at the front of the issue today. So it should be "day w/out illegal immigrants", not immigrants. We are all immigrants in truth, w/the exception of the Native Americans. I really have nothing against anyone coming here to live to better their life but if you want to live here, go about it the right way. It's a bit of a slap in the face to the immigrants who had to go through the correct channels to get proper citizenship and are working just as hard to make a living here as the illegal ones. It's only fair that if you want to live here, you have to abide by the rules. Just as any other citizen. I am not going to spout off about history and what has led up to this issue today. We just need to deal w/the present issue, try to solve it as best we can and try to make sure it doesnt get to this level again. If you here illegaly, your illegal. I dont care if your from Mexico or China or wherever. It's against the law, dont be all that surprised when people get upset about that and try to make changes. Thats pretty normal.
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scoots
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05-29-2006, 9:26 AM
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Thank you sky -- I've spent the morning reading up on the Mexican-American War. That war was started by Mexico because they were trying to take over the boarders of Texas - I guess in that history is repeating itself. However, Texas wasn't even part of the US at that point - it was its own union. New Mexico was barely inhabited and California was pretty much up for grabs. Mexico ceded those states at the end of the war as well. At the end of the war, the US paid Mexico millions of dollars.
With whitey's way of thinking - Great Britain will be invading the original 13 colonies any day now.
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Skyrokhet
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05-28-2006, 2:00 AM
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Whitey70: The states you listed were not stolen from Mexico. If Colorado was stolen from any one it was the stolen from the Utes, Arapahoes, Kiowas and Cheyenne who took it from people who have no name. Colorado was claimed by Spain and France and when the Spanish were overthrown in Mexico it became part of Mexico and Northeast Colorado was sold to the US by France. Spain's main mission was to convert as many people to Catholism to get money for the church and hence Spain. The natives of Colorado were not willing to give up their religion so Colorado became an area that was hard to justify expenses for. Mexico (who took over Spain's mission of conversion) decided that it was better for them to rid themselves of this area and ceded the title to the US. If any group of people besides the US can claim Colorado it would be the Native American tribes that lived here when Europeans decided to claim the land. Mexico gave the land to the US and hence lost the right to it. Whether you like it or not, this is not Mexican land anymore and they are not entitled to claiming it. Like I said I have no issue with legal immigrants, no matter what country of orign, just the ones doing it illegally. As it has been stated before, a law is a law and if you break the law it is illegal.
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whitey70
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05-27-2006, 2:41 AM
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I keep hearing people cry about the immigration problem. History repeats itself in many ways. I think about it this way the U.s. stole Utah, Colorado, Navada, Cali, New Mexico and Arizona from the Mexicans. Their just taking back what belonged to them in the first place. The Ironic thing is that we are over there in Iraq fighting for I don't now what, I guess oil. When we are being invaded by Mexico in a peaceful way. Not all invasions have to be forceful. Like I said they are taking back what was stolen from them in the first place. Now we have these ingenius politicains wanting to build a billion dollar wall. Now they just have to go around it or build tunnels.
whitey74
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Skyrokhet
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05-25-2006, 11:45 AM
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I have no issue with legal immigrants. They filled out the paper work and did what was required of them. They are trying to make a better life for themselves, they are learning English and they are learning our laws and customs. Many of the illegals are not doing any of that.
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tmv
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05-24-2006, 7:31 PM
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I believe in immigration. Let's face it we all have roots somewhere other than here unless you are an American Indian. However, those that want the privilege to live here should enter by legal means. It is important too to learn English.
I have lived outside the country many times for years and have always entered legally and learned the language of that country.
Yes, to legal immigration. Others deserve to have the opportunity to live in our country.
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