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Is Cincinnati Moving Forward?
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Discussion Started: 02-12-2002, 4:08 PM
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Hundreds of teens rampaged through the streets following the Midwest Black Family Reunion. Is the incident being blown out of proportion? Did police do too much or not enough?
Do you think Cincinnati is moving forward in its efforts to bring positive growth and change to the downtown area? What can Cincinnati do to increase the number of residents downtown? What kinds of development would cause you to give the downtown area another chance?
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disgusted310
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11-10-2003, 12:16 PM
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With all the talk about improving downtown why aren't more people upset about the homeless shelter by Lytle Park? Cincinnati Union Bethel has changed the Anna Louise Inn from a home for single women to one off the official shelter sites of Mercy Franciscan (that's where it puts all the OTR homeless overflow). Men with records, welfare queens, mentally ill women who talk to themselves and eat out of garbage cans--they were out all summer and will be again when the weather gets warm. See the homeless medical van outside on thursdays. WIth the Taft Museum renovation and trying to sell condos with a "Lytle Park" view, why does Lytle Park need a welfare flophouse? Pretty soon it will look like Washington Park. The city gives C.U.B. money, knows it sitched to a homeless shelter with criminal men and teenage boys with no jobs and also ignores heatlh and building violations(can anyone spell "kickback?" I don't see how moving the criminal and mentally ill to Lytle Park will help downtown's image at all.
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AverJaneQ
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10-21-2003, 9:02 AM
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Just when you think you've heard all the ways that racisim shows it's ugly face, now you've got teens getting their name in the news. Some of them anyway. The teens in Oxford who burned a cross on the lawn of a biracial family got their names in the news and they were charged with ethnic intimidation and aggravated trespassing. And so they should be. However, I have barely heard anything yet of the gang of teens in Clifton who are around 14 years old who are punching people in the face who walk past them on the street. They should be charged not only with ethnic intimidation but also with assault which is worse because it's a physical attack and could have caused serious injuries to the victim. Yet, I watch the news every morning and still have not heard anything about it. I only caught a snippet about it on the radio program I listen to every morning. Now with the first group of teens mentioned, we assume they are white, correct? They were. But the second group of teens mentioned, you wouldn't know what color they are because the news does not mention their crime. They are punching white people in the face and yelling racial slurs in their face. Now what color do you think those teens are? Is rasicm only mentioned in detail when it is a white offender? If we're going to get anywhere in a city, world, or country with our racial problems, shouldn't we address all races? If they don't believe they are being racist and do not have to be charged with the same punishment, then they too will continue to see nothing wrong with what they do. Isn't that how the "Good Ole Boy" mentality got so out of hand? What are we afraid of? If we can fight the terrorism in Iraq, then we can fight the ethnic terrorism in our own nation. Racism is a human problem. We can't pick and choose certain races to blame because we are all human and are guilty of some sort of profiling ourselves. Sometimes it's common sense, sometimes it's racist. No one is without blame except Jesus Christ.
Jane Q.
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july
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09-19-2003, 9:44 AM
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You can put up all the buildings you want, rehab even, but until you get somethings that would encourage people to move back to the city, it's going to be like pulling teeth. There is no major super grocery store, no movie theaters, no mini malls no video stores and no affordable parking. In other words, even if I moved into town, I would still have to go to the burbs in order to shop. Yes, you have Findley Market, and that Kroger's on Vine, but you have limited parking space, which is the majority of time, taken up by those who work in the stores. Having a great view is one thing, and I can get that from Summit View Apartments, and have plenty of parking space. And I have the freedom of shopping on Glenway Avenue up to the Western Hills Mall. So I live "downtown" per say, but the difference between me and those who live at City West and etc., I have the convenience of burb shopping, without going far. The only thing missing is a good movie theater like Showcase. But then, to me and the family, that's an outing.
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july
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08-21-2003, 11:08 AM
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Went to Newport on the Levee and it was like a vacation! I mean, there's so much to do and Covington is coming around also. At least we know what the local leaders of the Commonwealth of Kentucky are doing to generate businesses and people from other communities. And eventually, casinos will be appearing on that side. Hmmmmmmm, when will our city council get the message regarding what people want. We've got two stadiums on the river and an arena, and soon an Underground Railroad museum. All of this is nice, but how about putting a shopping complex on the river like Newport and Covington. Yes we have a very nice park down on the river bank, but there is only one resturant and that's Montgomery Inn Boathouse, which is a very nice place to eat, but the majority of city workers and others go across the river to Newport, because it makes their day better. Since we've got the boycott downtown, who can enjoy themselves when you've got them pushing up in your face. So, when the local leaders begin to actually take notice of how Newport and Covington are utilizing their funds, I'll be looking forward to going across the river for fun and great dining, without the hassle of boycotters and parking. Is Cincinnati moving forward? Hmmmmm, by the time they catch up, I'll be dead!!!!! or too old to care (smile)
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firedog978
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05-15-2003, 6:57 AM
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Good Morning july.
Yes, I am aware that at times some minorities do get stopped for being in the wrong place, or appearing to be in the wrong place. I have another scenario for you. On more than several occasions when I worked at a station in the West End and had reason to go or leave work in the middle of the night, I was stopped too. Let's see, a white guy driving a newer pick-up in the West End between midnight and 6AM......certainly I was there buying drugs or picking up a pros!? See, it's what is out of place that gets the cops' attention. Like a broken window in a business; it gets a cops attention. Was I profiled? Hell yes I was. Did I care? No, because to me it is good police work to notice what is out of place and investigate. If someone is innocent of crime and gets stopped, they will be on their way in a few moments with an apology.
As to the question of when a cop is behind me; yes, it makes me nervous a little. Only because I begin to question that I am driving following all traffic laws to the tee. I have no fear of anything else even if I am stopped. I know I have not committed any crime.
Nice seeing you too. Boycot? Is there a boycot going on?.....I think it died.
Sincerely, Firedog
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july
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05-13-2003, 3:12 PM
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Hi Firedog978: I hear what you're saying and it's pretty much true. However, there is always a snagfu in the works. Regardless sometimes, people of any color, but basically minorities and Hispanics, are always profiled for something. Perhaps it's not intentional, but it does happen. Like I said some time ago, a black person, especially male, driving a nice car, wearing a nice outfit, late in the evening, in a predominate white neighborhood is going to be followed, and eventually pulled over for questioning. If he has a large amount of money on him, a cell phone, he's immediately thought of as a drug dealer. And to show you that it doesn't just happen to common people, it happened to a black celebrity last year. He was driving his new Beemer, on his way home, when he was pulled over, asked to step out of the car, place his hands on the hood of the car. He was searched and when they found a wad of money on him, they immediately handcuffed him, and put him in the cruiser. While one officer was running a check, the other officer was asking the man questions, and when he said he wanted his attorney, the officer became rude. After the check was done, the other officer came back and apologized to the celebrity. Told him it was a mistake; thought he matched the description of a suspect that had been on the lam for a robbery, and because he had a lot of bucks, well you know the rest. I know, it happens to non-minorties also, but just think about it. When a cop car is behind you, do you panic and become fearful, even if you know you haven't done anything, or do you just take it as a cop who happens to be in the same lane as you? Just for PQ, try it sometime. Good to "hear" from ya again. So what do you think about the "boycott"?
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twentyfour
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05-13-2003, 1:44 PM
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A license to be a panhandler. Now there's a step in the right direction. Just how is this supposed to do any good? Why not require them to wear a tie and jacket? We need to fence in the I-275 loop and keep you morons in there. You all go from tweedle dumb to tweedle dumber.
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firedog978
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05-11-2003, 9:05 AM
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Some Day everyone will realize that it isn't skin color or religion or anything else that is racially motivated that causes police action/reaction. As the previous poster said; He/she follows the law! That is all it takes! Follow the laws and you will not have any run ins with police other than pleasent conversation that you initiate!
Sincerely, Firedog
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twentyfour
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05-06-2003, 8:25 AM
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While I don't live in Cicinnati, I go there several times a year. In all of those times over a period of about 60 years, I have never been bothered, threatened or felt intimidated by a Cincinnati Policeman. Of course, I have always abided by the law. My Mother raised me to respect the law. It's not perfect, but it sure beats the heck out of the law in the rest of the world. For those of you ahving trouble with the Cincinnati Police or any other Police agency, I would say, "Grow Up."
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enufrope
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04-29-2003, 12:42 PM
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I see the FOP has now dropped out of the collaborative agreement to work with the community to improve community-police relations. Every step of the way, our police have demonstrated their lack of willingness to contribute to solving the problems that have plagued our city. They have stubbornly denied ANY fault in these problems, insisted that they've NEVER employed racial profiling, never used excessive force, never done ANYTHING wrong. They've engaged in intentional work slow-downs and tried to portray the community as being consistantly anti-police. They simply haven't negotiated in good faith. Their them-and-us mentality continues to hamper attempts to address our problems.
It's time to clean house. Let's get rid of Chief Stricker to start, then re-build a police department that will be responsive to the needs of the community! Obvoiusly, the current department has no intention of working with the people they "serve".
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